I have no cameras here, so later I'll take a picture and show the position that I use my lcd. That photo above shows the LCD on the table, but today I use it on the wood of the cockpit just behind the steering wheel. That position is the closest possible, and the real steering wheel lies in the same position that the game one. So, with a small fov (like 60), the perspective is almost exact from my real point of view.
I think taht the perfect configuration will be the use of 3 monitors (a thing that I dream for soon), because the lateral screens will compensate the lack of lateral vision.

Quote from RevengeR :

Thats ok, but still, it's not the best if you have to stay on the throttle on every braking zone. I don't miss that technique, and I think I'm fast enough without it, so no need to use it.

agree

Slart, you said that you use 95 of fov? hehehe... I can't imagine something like this. I always use between 55 and 70.
FOV above 80 start to look very tunneled.
Minor FOVs takes off some lateral view, and that is not good, but the proportion worth the sacrifice.
The fov in EVO was locked for months in 80 degrees, until the lasts patches. That was horrible.

I use a 22" wide screen monitor, and I still don't like of high fovs.

IMO the best fov for LFS is 60. Have you tried it?

Quote from ColeusRattus :

Actually, you both didn't really get what I was aiming at.

It's just that this video doesn't really stand out from other racing game videos, no matter what game, thus it doesn't really transport any message other than the creator has good editing skills. It doesn't show anything spectacular about the game itself.

And just to not upset Soro: yes, I do own GTL, as I do own rFactor, and I like both of them for what they are.

Well, and I would say that if you give more time to iRacing you will feel it better and better.

I think that the perspective in LFS looks "better" because the majority of the tracks are a bit wide, while in iRacing the tracks and the cars have the real proportion.

You need to buy a G25 (do it as soon as you can). The difference is big.

Here I use it inverted, but this photo is before I disassembly the pedals and mount them directly on the wood.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh ... 6QYGHDSLg?feat=directlink

SSM, my first impression when I read this topic was the same that you.
After somedays I get myself doing a thing almost like.

What I do sometimes:

- The car starts to lose the rear
- I know that I will not be able to countersteer, or I know that the car will not respond this action as expect
- I know that it will be necessary to reduce the speed, and I know that if I reduce the speed countersteering, the rear will lose for sure.
(all this "I know, I know" thing is an instant thought, it is a very fast reaction, aquired after some years playing in simulators).
-So, I decide that it is time to reduce the speed, and I brake hard without countersteer, just a hard touch and release, with the front tyres aimed to the inner side or to the curve, but never to the outter side. The car stop trying to spin, than I start countersteering, with some corrections over steering wheel.

It is very fast, and it is a bit hard to reproduce when I'm paying attetion to the action. It is easier to do when I don't think

I have no sure if I could explain the right way. Sorry for my bad English.

Last edited by Speed Soro, Sun 5 Apr 2009, 21:23.

Well, I'm not iRacing fanboy, LFS fanboy, I'm not fanboy of anything.
I just playh and enjoy all the sims, and I cleary realize the differences between them.
And IMO, no matter what people say here, iRacing feels and reacts much more like a real car than LFS, and this is in all situations.
Braking in a straight, tail braking a chicane, using engine brake, and etc.
I'm not saying LFS is wrong or bad, but for me iRacing is better, that is what I feel, and all the extensive explanation here to prove the opposite, for me, is useless, because I know what I feel, and I feel iRacing very precise.

Quote from obsolum :

From what I understand from Mark's posts, that's probably because you have different - and better - pedals than he does.

I rarely lock up the brakes.
When you get into the game (iRacing) you need to full press all controlers, so it makes a self calibration.
If you go right to the track without do this ritual, sure your brakes will lock up, until you make a full travel of the brake pedal.
I use G25, with my pedals mounted inverted on a home-made cockpit.

Shadow,

You know, you are not a troll if you support LFS (SamH rules), don't matter how many useless posts you count in just 15 months of forum subscription.

BTW, your argument "steering wheel aid's" is so poor, that it shows exactly how desperate a fanboy can become in the anxious of attack the concurrency.

LFS is a great sim, but it is not the just unique sim in the market, and we have good options.

For us, "low-profile" people, these other games are great to enjoy, so, if you are so mind closed that you can't approve it, it is just bad for you, only you.

Take care boy, I mean, fanboy.

Quote from STF :

At high speed, downforce comes into play too. Having more grip means even more energy to dissipate, so less chance of lock-up.

But, for a Skip Barber as example, where is the data informing how much energy the brakes can dissipate? where is the information?

iRacing has this information, they have the real car to compare. So, if it lock up the tyres ate "high" speed, I would consider that it is correct.

About F1 cars, when it will lock up? At what speed? 150mph is a number from where? Is it sure that them will not lock up at high speed? What is "high speed"?

Quote from Thunderhead :

Soro, you know, for a 46 year old man, you can be a bit thick sometimes. But I guess it's just your age.

Happy birthday, Thicko.

I don't undertand when you say THICK, cause it has so many translations...

I can be what deep? dense? rude? stupid? (btw, you opinion, good or bad, about myself, is very important for me, very very important )

thanks for the happy birthday anyway.

Last edited by Speed Soro, Thu 2 Apr 2009, 15:47.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

And what does it say? That you need a shakey cam, a sepia filter and orchestral music to make it even remotely exciting to watch? That you need to import models of another game to have good cars?* That the collision physics are still fundamentally flawed in any gMotor driven sim?


*well, I do like you need the GTL cd to install that mod

Well, Fetzo has answered a part of your criticism for me.

About colisions, are you talking that rFactor has flaws, forgetting the fact that LFS has too?

And about GTL, well, I think the most of simracers has a copy. I have. You don't have?

Quote from Gil07 :

Just read the thread, others seem to have no problems...

100 posts? No thank you. I prefer to say good bye to this thread. Good bye!

Quote from Thunderhead :

Me too, and something tells me it's the same reason.

It is so great that we are all happy here, isn't it?

Quote from Shadowww :

I won't pay even 1$ for 1%-simulator-99%-arcade.
WTF, auto-steering aid

ok, bad for you

There are many posts to read, so I'll ask something to confirm if I understood what is going on in this thread.

Beside other critics, there is one about braking in iRacing that says that you can't press your brake pedal to the metal without lock up the tyres?

If so, well, I think it is just a matter of calibration, because I don't have this problem.

I can't understand the exactly point of this thread (except under a fanboy vision): you all are saying that iRacing has worst physics than LFS, ignoring the fact that it is a solid engine with more than a decade of development and a bunch of staff around it, since real cars data and pilots and lot of beta testers along more than 2 years, and one of the lacks of the engine is about brakes?

Anybody here who is bashing the engine has tested it? Because I can't see where iRacing physics is less than LFS. Could someone reduce this bible into 3 lines, please?

Quote from Shadowww :

No, thanks.

Troll detected?

I think the troll here is you, not me. BTW I open this topic, and the last post was just a good advice. Kids...

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/end OT on a brown note.

man, you are an hero...

Quote from Hallen :

Hmmm, really? So you want the possibility of a lockup at 150mph?

How many times have you seen an F1 car lock the tires at the end of a long straight just when they hit the brake point? I never have. I think that implies that you can't lock the brakes at speed because if you could, you would certainly see it happen, and you don't.

Plus, I would think that brakes that are capable of locking up the car at speed would be so grabby and twitchy that you would lose most of the feel.

I don't understand what you are saying. I think that if the car has not an ABS system, it will lock up the wheels at any speed.

The speed has nothing with the capacity of lock up the tyres. If you overtake the grip the tyres will slip. I don't have sure, but it makes sense for me.

I think that if a brake system made for racing cars is strong enough to stop the car in the minimum distance, so, any aditional pressure should be able to lock up the wheels, if not, it will be working under the limits.

The control is given to the driver or to the ABS system.

Quote from Shadowww :

Same, but if RBR would die off, I'd play Euro Truck "Simulator"

Come on, you may not be as worried about that. EVO and RF are cheap and provide great racing. There is a world turning around these simulators, big races, championships, leagues, events at fairs, real pilots, fantastic mods. Take easy with its demands. Relax and enjoy.

Batteryy you are right when you say that many things matter in a simulation.

But there are priorities, and in a simulation physics are the number 1.

My list of priority is:

If the game is meant to be played disconnected

1 - physics
2 - force feedback
3 - heating and wear
4 - damage
5 - graphics
6 - sounds
7 - real stuffs (cars and tracks, mainly tracks)
8 - GUI


if the game is meant to be played connected

1 - physics
2 - force feedback
3 - netcode
4 - heating and wear
5 - damage
6 - graphics
7 - sounds
8 - real stuffs (cars and tracks, mainly tracks)
9 - GUI
10 - multiplayer interaction

Considering that LFS is a multiplayer game, just the second list matters. I think LFS is doing a good job in the items 1, 2, 3, 9 and 10 missing yet the items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 to be improved.

I think we can just compare 5 games on the market: iRacing, LFS, NKP, rF and EVO.

Comparing just items 1 and 2, using as example just formula cars, my sequence of preference is:

1 - iRacing
2 - NKP
3 - LFS
4 - Evo
5 - rF

So, IMO, LFS is not the best sim for ME. But this is just MY opinion, not the TRUE.

The true is out there

Last edited by Speed Soro, Wed 1 Apr 2009, 19:42.

Quote from Matrixi :

Same thing crossed my mind. No wonder this thread has a 5-star rating here. : )

great

Not yet, but it could be. It is a great sim and a fantastic multiplayer game.

LFS fanboy text for LFS fanboys readers... just as expected "wow, great, divine".

LFS has better physics than iRacing? That is what YOU feel. Ok.